Hosting with GoDaddy - Page 2

jaressloo · #16 (**permalink**) 01-09-2009, 03:26 PM

Yeah, the do provide you with free hosting, but the hosting they provide you with is pretty bad.

They only provide Economy hosting which is a SEVERE downgrade from the Unlimited Plan. I don't buy hosting with every domain. I have one hosting plan and host all of my domains with that plan. It's pretty nice.

No silverlight?! Why not?!

Gregory · #17 (**permalink**) 01-09-2009, 10:13 PM

According to Godaddy there are only 5 differences between basic and unlimited.

1) The number of emails per per domain. I will Never have a need for 5
2) The number of databases. (I use 1 database but 10 is good for sure )
3) The number of Domains per account... I have no need for more than 1.
4) Email forwards... never used one of those before.
5) SSL certificate... No need for one of those on this project

No website on a shared host is going to use 300 GB of transfer...It would be work to do that with a dedicated server, and the storage space will go unused ... especially since EVERY domain gets tons of space.

I would love to know what you base your decision about Godady's plans on. "SEVERE downgrade" If I don't need 1000 email boxes, thousands of databases, or hundreds of domains, I don't see how you can call the difference severe.

Go daddy has more agreements and contracts than any host I've EVER seen. In fact they have at least 60 SEPARATE agreements... It takes forever just to count all their agreements let alone reach each one which might contain "Your hosting will be incredibly slow unless you pay extra" Reading their contract will tell you that they have no uptime garentee. If they go down for say a week straight, they owe you 5% of your monthly fee which can only be used as a credit to purchase future goods... in other words, you lose your website, they lose 6 cents.

It is important to note that the price between the two is about 9 bucks... But the unlimited plan forces you into a long term contract and for 15 dollars a month you can get hosting from every web host on the planet.

As for silverlight, I'm not interested in running closed source software.

jaressloo · #18 (**permalink**) 01-09-2009, 11:33 PM

...I'm not even sure what to say. First of all, let's start by explaining why the hosting plans are SO different. I don't know what page you're looking at, but you can see what I see here: http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/hostin...ed.asp?ci=9009. If that link doesn't work, then go to the GoDaddy website, hover over "Hosting," click on "Web Site Hosting," scroll down a little bit and click on the tab that says "Compare Windows Plans."

So, here are the differences:

Disk Space
Bandwidth
Number of Email Addresses
Total Email Storage
Number of MS SQL Databases
Number of MySQL Databases
Number of Subdomains
Ability to host multiple websites
SSL Certificate
Amount of Adwords credit
Amount of adCenter credit

I shouldn't have to explain why 10 GB of disk space is SEVERELY different from unlimited amounts of disk space...nor should I have to explain any of the other numbers. Just read it for yourself.

Just a side note: It's actually a $10 difference.

There is NO LONG TERM CONTRACT REQUIRED for any of their hosting plans. I'm not sure why you think there is. This is stated in the second line in BOTH their Linux AND their Windows plans...In fact, their economy hosting requires you to purchase at least 2 months whereas the unlimited hosting only requires one month.

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No website on a shared host is going to use 300 GB of transfer...

This is ENTIRELY UNTRUE. It doesn't matter if you're on shared hosting or not. Your type of hosting plan does not determine how much data transfer you're going to have nor is it a sign of how popular your site will be. Bandwidth is how much data is transferred from the web server to the client machine. I could easily push your website over your bandwidth limit by simply clearing out my cache and re-visiting your site over and over again.

Your bandwidth usage is dependent on how big your website is. If your website was built in Photoshop and you used image slicing to create your website, you will have MUCH more bandwidth to use than the person who built their website right and is using CSS, HTML, and as LITTLE images as possible. If you're hosting videos, you're bandwidth will get used up A LOT faster than just a regular data driven website.

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I would love to know what you base your decision about Godady's plans on. "SEVERE downgrade" If I don't need 1000 email boxes, thousands of databases, or hundreds of domains, I don't see how you can call the difference severe.

I own a website design company. I don't use GoDaddy's email hosting, but I DO require thousand of databases and the capability of hosting HUNDREDS of domains. You're not going to find a Windows web host who can provide the same amount of services that GoDaddy provides at the same price. Finding unlimited disk space and bandwidth is easy...but you're not going to be able to find a hosting plan that offers UNLIMITED MICROSOFT SQL SERVER DATABASES. This is simply UNHEARD of. (It's difficult just to find a Windows host that offers IIS7 and ASP.NET 3.5 SP1 at a reasonable price)

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Go daddy has more agreements and contracts than any host I've EVER seen.

So, what? That's a good thing. Contract's are not only meant to protect the company, but it's also meant to protect the client, you know? Contracts work both ways. GoDaddy is the largest registrar and hosting company on the internet. I would expect them to have the most elaborate contract and agreement section. Even so...why does this matter to you how many contracts and agreements they have? You're protected aren't you? They're being truthful, aren't they? They're doing the responsible thing by telling you everything up front, aren't they? So, what's the problem? If you don't like something they say, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! Wait...you're still hosting with them, aren't you?

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Reading their contract will tell you that they have no uptime garentee.

Look on their home page. It very clearly states "99% Network Uptime"

Anyway, I'm just stating what I know. You've been hosting with GoDaddy for longer than I have. I'm just writing this from my personal experience.

Gregory · #19 (**permalink**) 01-11-2009, 11:46 AM

Hi jaressloo,

I see your sites are progressing nicely

Let me start by saying, you should try some other web hosting companies because you'll quickly learn that nothing a hosting company puts on the index page has anything to do with the service you actually receive. Disk Space, Hosting Space, Bandwidth, none of that matters.

And here is why.

99% of all hosting accounts never use their alloted bandwidth, disk space, domain names, databases, email boxes, or anything else they have. Obviously if your going to run your entire hosting company out of 1 unlimited godaddy account you could, but that is of course a violation of their usage policy you have to purchase the "reseller" plan which puts you on par with the price of a dedicated server.

The actual limits on your hosting account are how FAST it is, not how big it is. How much processor time you get, how much disk access share you have, and how overloaded the database server is. If they put 100 domains on one server, your page is going to suck right? Even if you can use 100000 gigs of bandwidth, your hosting will be Slow not fast.

If you hit my godaddy site 30000 times you won't come anywhere near my 300 gb of bandwidth because my small sliver of processor time on a shared machine simply won't be able to put out the data fast enough. Of course everyone who shares a server with my site will be complaining up a storm on internet forums about how much Godaddy sucks... little would they know it was just a bad neighbor on their shared server.

A website of mine that gets 250 thousand visitors a year only uses 12-15 GB of bandwidth per MONTH... A dedicated server of mine that pulls data nearly 24 hours a day barely pulls 200 GB a month... the idea that a shared hosting account could pull 300 GB is marketing garbage.

Now to the space argument. If I run a website which primarily uses its resources to serve content (because any other use of godaddy hosting is a violation of terms of use) Then I can never fill up 10 gigs of space... They simply won't let me upload that much data. My site would be totally non functional for visitors reading my content.

long term contract: They give you a huge price discount for paying upfront on the unlimited hosting... (Long term contract) Sure you can pay a lot more to stay out of the contract, but if you want the price they advertise, then you have to put up with slow hosting or a huge upfront payment. Hosting is all about the fine print. The fine print is there to make the company more money, and to ensure you can't find out about their tricky little details until AFTER you pay for service (3 years worth if they have their way)

As for their uptime guarantee. They CLAIM to guarantee your site uptime but they don't. Read their terms of service. A guarantee to me means "If we don't honor our guarantee you get your money back", but to Godaddy it means: "If you personally catch us down and call us we give you a 5% credit on your monthly bill which can only be used to purchase future services" All 5% credits are at their sole discretion and they can always deny your credit.

If your economy hosting goes down for 3 straight weeks, they will pay you 60 cents! That's no guarantee in my book thats a lie. Going elsewhere is exactly what I plan to do, and what I imagine most other developers will do after reading this thread. If your looking for rock bottom windows hosting you've found it in Godaddy.

jaressloo · #20 (**permalink**) 01-11-2009, 07:41 PM

Hey Gregory.

You make some good points. I'll definitely look around at some other hosting companies. I can get my money back with GoDaddy at any time (I've done it before).

Over 20,000 hits per month on one of your hosting accounts is obviously a good deal of traffic. What site is it? I'd like to see it!

As for the amount of bandwidth, I know that 300,000 GB of bandwidth is a really good amount of data transfer, but like I said before, if you're serving more than just text (HTML, Javascript, CSS, etc.) and pictures, then this is a different story. For instance, if you're streaming video (NOT progressive download), this can take up A LOT more bandwidth. For instance, the GoLiveStream site that I built for a client is a live streaming site geared towards racing and "EXTREME" stuff. This kind of site is going to use A LOT more bandwidth than any other typical site.

Anyway, I'm interested to know what kind of hosting you suggest that I use. Like I said earlier, I have not found another Windows host that offers sufficient amount of bandwidth, disk space, and SQL SERVER databases for my sites yet. I would curious to see what you had in mind.

Keep in mind that the MOST important things for me are the SQL SERVER databases. I need AS MANY of these as possible, and I'm not willing to pay an extra $5 for something that doesn't cost them anything extra to set up. I know it doesn't cost them anything because I'm a system engineer, application programmer, architect, dba, and analyst for a large international company. I know how this stuff works more than I care to sometimes. That's why I have a hard time paying some other hosting company so much money for something that I know costs them pennies to host. I understand, however, just like anything else, they have to make money somehow.

Anyway, maybe if you had a link or something that I could check out for GOOD, STABLE, WINDOWS hosting, I'd definitely look into it. It's worth my time if they prove to be better than GoDaddy. But as for right now, I have not had any problems with them.

Thanks for the input on my site from the other thread! I'd like to see some of yours.

Gregory · #21 (**permalink**) 01-11-2009, 09:16 PM

Jaressloo,

Honestly I haven't found a great host yet... at least not one that wasn't expensive. For the past 8 ish years I've hosted my own stuff. I am also a Super Linux nerd (hince my silverlight comments.) Yes when confronted with the problem of being unable to find a good host, we built a server closet... Turns out to be a very expensive route and not recommended, but I just couldn't stand not being root on every device on the network.

Your Golivestream project is very ambitious, and I've added it to my bookmarks. Hosting videos or streaming content is almost always against terms of use for shared hosting companies. Most will try very hard to push you into a VPS or a dedicated hosting fees. Godaddy is so big you'll probably sail through life for a long time. Some hosts limit you by cutting you off for "excessive cpu time" or other things, good news I couldn't find anything like that in the godaddy contracts, but there were 60 agreements and I'm lazy sooo.

As for the site you can find it by Googling Build Your Own House. I sent you a private message with my contact details in it

Thanks for the dialog,
~Greg

jaressloo · #22 (**permalink**) 01-11-2009, 10:55 PM

GoLiveStream was is a client of mine. It's taken me a LONG time to get it right. And even now, it's still not there, but we're about to start phase 2, so I will be doing a lot more development within the next few months. Yeah, definitely keep it in your bookmarks! Their site is hosted with GoDaddy, yes, but the streaming of the site is actually on another server. Man..that site is more than just a website. There's a whole other structure in the back end! It's crazy. It's a lot of fun though.

Anyway, nice talking to you here. I'm sure I'll see you around here. I also sent you an email.

ebookfinder · #23 (**permalink**) 06-13-2009, 01:10 PM

static websites are just fine of using godaddy hosting. But if we use godaddy hosting for your advanced web applications, you will cry a river for your websites.

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William Wilson · #24 (**permalink**) 06-14-2009, 11:08 AM

I always prefer dealing with companies that answer the phone promptly, and do not have a phone tree...William Wilson

adinas · #25 (**permalink**) 01-28-2010, 01:59 AM

jaressloo,

I would like to know how you handle the fact that you cannot connect to the SQL Server using Enterprise Manager on your own pc or code on your own pc. all changes or queries to the db need to be done using some web gui they have.

Adin

jaressloo · #26 (**permalink**) 01-28-2010, 09:05 AM

Hey Adin,

actually, with the new godaddy packages running IIS 7, you can. It used to be that you couldn't, but now, you're able to!

jaressloo · #27 (**permalink**) 01-28-2010, 09:14 AM

Hey Greg,

I was just rereading this thread and I noticed that I was very adamant about GoDaddy. Since then, I have found Arvixe. I have moved everything over to Arvixe and I have loved every second of letting Arvixe handle my stuff!

If you're still looking for a really good host, definitely check them out.

seopeter · #28 (**permalink**) 01-28-2010, 09:58 AM

Used theplanet and never heard on Arvixe

sequencehosting · #29 (**permalink**) 01-30-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by William Siong

Hi All,

I got a new domain and webhosting (basic ) from GoDaddy for a product launch that does not need much intervention actually.

but the preparation on GoDaddy is a real hussle ( or hustle .,.. they keep offering me things to Commit..(spend money

) ). There is no cPanel that I can rely on... What to use then ?

I tried the normal way of updating my webpages ( in root because there is no public folder created ) and I could only see my Home Page with TEXT but no GRAPHICS... dunno why.

Any good advice for a newbie like me ?

Thanks,

Have a Super Duper Wonderful Weekend !!!

William

Personally I would stay away from GoDaddy for web hosting. I had a small problem with my domain name and it took them 11 hours to reply. Once I got the reply it was useless. With web hosting support is vital especially if your new to web hosting.

I would suggest you move to a provider that uses cPanel and has good support. I would suggest you go with HostGator as they have amazing support.

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