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Hi!! I'm so glad I found this forum. I've been reading everything I can for the past 3 weeks about building a site with multiple users and it is a little overwhelming. Wow, who knew???

I'm building a store directory site where users will be able to set up a favorite stores page. From what I'm reading I need something like Joomla to do this.

I have a basic 3 column layout design and have found one in Hostgator's templates that looks very close to what I need. But, here's the thing...do I have to use a Joomla template? There is one that I like there, too.

So, what's the story. Do I use the Hostgator template or the Joomla? I just signed up for Hostgator yesterday in part because of all the advice I read here. I've been talking to them via their live chat for a week with ?s after reading the posts here. Thanks! for all the great ?s and discussions.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts and having many discussions in the future. I have 2 sites in place now, one is all template (I'm changing it to a freebie for information only) and one temporary freebie for a not-for-profit I founded a couple months ago and am in the process of figuring out what's needed for it.

I know basic html but this CMS perl Joomla and all has my head spinning.

Any help getting me started in this new venture will be greatly appreciated.

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Old 01-23-2008, 01:50 PM
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Hi and welcome!

Maybe a Joomla (or CMS) expert can jump in here and confirm but I thought their templates (CMS) are all your need. I'm not sure you need the Hostgator template now that you have a CMS.
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Old 01-23-2008, 03:33 PM
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Hi Lisa!

I'm not promoting these guys (I justed signed on with Hostgator so I don't have any experience yet and the other one is just what I found so far) so I hope I'm not breaking any rules. I just really need help choosing the right template to get started on the right track. (I hate doing things over.)

Here are the Hostgator templates I'm looking at:
http://templates.hostgator.com/find/685
This one has all the function placement I want
http://templates.hostgator.com/find/213
I like the more contemporary look of this one and the function is there
http://templates.hostgator.com/find/1133
I like the spacing of this one but there isn't a login at the top

Here are the Joomla 1.5 templates:
http://joomla15.siteground.com/?template=siteground
Not crazy about the floaty look and the login is at the bottom
http://joomla15.siteground.com/?temp...teground-j15-1
This one is very plain and again has the login at the bottom
I'm not even sure these are freebies.

If anyone has any resources for (free) templates like these, that would be great!! What do you guys think of these?

As I understand it, I'll be able to change where the login goes and such. Right?

I'm worried about inserting tables within tables and such with templates. I haven't had much luck with that.
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Old 01-23-2008, 09:50 PM
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Okay, I've been looking at more Joomla templates and it looks like the one that won the Joomla template contest might be it. I'm hoping I'll be able to make it look like.... well....my vision, I guess.

I'm still trying to get my head around the whole Joomla template idea. But it sure sounds like it's the way to go because it has all the parts in one place.

If anyone knows how to customize the header, I guess that's my big thing right now is getting the total look right and as we all know it starts on the home page.

I hope Hostgator is installing the new version (Joomla 1.5) that just came out in the past couple of days.

If anyone knows of a better program I should be considering, please let me know. I'm ready to get this started!!! Yes!

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I like all the templates. I guess it depends on which one suits your needs for your site right?

May I ask, what kind of site are you trying to build? (And if you explained that in another thread forgive my memory... it's been a long day. LOL)
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Hi Lisa,

I'm building a store directory site where users will be able to create their own favorite stores page.

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Just curious. How do you plan to draw traffic to that kind of site? Unlike an informational site where you can write content about a topic an get traffic, I'd like to know more about how you are going to promote this? That's always my question when people start out with creating user-interactive sites. They are often much more challenging to get traffic because the success depends on user activity.
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Okay, here goes.....

There will be content on the site also. I plan a mini blog on each category page and it will have a read more that will go to either a blog page or a content page. For example, on the electronics category page, the mini blog planned is a 31 day rotating tip. It will have a read more link to a page with all the tips and more. The mini blog might have a "have you seen this" note or talk about the newest trend. I plan to make the mini blogs RSS feeds also.

My background is home dec, so I'll have plenty to talk about for many of the category mini blogs. I also can't help myself when it comes to helping people decide what to purchase, so they will be able to email for advice. My son is the techie in our family, so he'll be answering questions and taking care of the electronics section. I've thought about a forum, but don't know just yet. There are so many problems with self promo and spamming these days. What do you think?

I plan a page on eBay and auctions in general and how and when to use them.

I'm also a huge fan of tell a friend and add to favorites. Have you heard of addthis? If so, what do you think of them? Should I just create a page similar to theirs on my own site? Then I can track addto traffic directly, right? And newsletters, of course.

I plan to have links ready for MySpace, Facebook and such users to add to their pages. One thing I haven't mentioned is on the user created favorite shops page, they'll be able to add notes next to their shops. They'll be able to keep track of shopping finds or share them with other people if they like.

It's really a shopping community but I don't plan on having users be able to leave messages on other users pages or add images or music of their own. Who knows maybe that will come later in a very limited format. I'm not trying to create a MySpace for shoppers.

I'll have links to hotmail, aol, and yahoo messengers to make it easy for them to talk to friends.

Also, 5% of the revenue generated will be donated to charities chosen by the shopper community. People will be able to set up their page and select a charity. Then hopefully, they'll tell friends to start their shopping here and add to the donation.

Well, that's all I can think of right now. Oh wait, I also have 600 on my newsletter list from my previous business that will help get me started. I got traffic to that site by joining forums and being moderator of a few and doing link exchanges and such. Net traffic sure has changed in 6 years!

What do you think?
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Old 01-24-2008, 12:45 PM
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You seem to have a lot of good ideas. My main concern is that it's too many topics too soon but I could be wrong. The good news is you have a list of email addresses you can promote to so that's definitely a start. That will certainly help get the word out in the beginning.

But I always go back to search engines. I know they aren't the only way to bring in traffic but they've been so good to me over the years (and it's free targeted traffic) so they should definitely be a part of the plan.

With a site that focuses on so many different topics (especially shop sites), it will be difficult to get ranked high for anything unless your site becomes extremely popular and other "shop sites" link to you voluntarily. So with a site like that you are going to have to really do some heavy word of mouth promoting, perhaps even pay per click.

Backlinks are everything with the search engines so getting links from many different sites is key but since your site is a hodgepodge of everything, it's hard for the search engines to categorize your site into one theme. Shopping is so broad I'm just concerned you'll get swallowed up.

Tell a friend scripts are OK but again... with no traffic they're useless. You can add them once you start getting traffic (same goes for a forum) but I found my TAF script didn't start getting activity until I had the traffic. So again... it all goes back to the big "T". Also make sure you get a secure script because spambots will ruin the TAF experience. That's why I got rid of mine.

My advice would be start with one theme... home decor for example. Focus on promoting a very specific themed site first. Once that takes off use that site to leverage the next.

I've just seen so many people who are new start out with great ideas for many different site features without a realistic plan for marketing the site. And part of that is there is an assumption that the more features a site has the more attractive it will be but that's not always the case unless the site is very unique and does something other sites do not.

Facebook and MySpace is a great example. Facebook had a lot of the same features as MySpace but it had a specific focus on college students. Once it started getting popular they branched out and targeted other groups. But the creators of Facebook has the technology experience and money to compete with MySpace and grab some of their market.

The other part is that I don't think people understand what makes a site popular. People often don't define who they are targeting. For example, you should be able to tell me "My site is geared toward people who want this or people who need to know this." Having a site that targets everyone or many people is too broad.

For example, 2createawebsite.com is targeted to beginners who want to create a website. flat-stomach-exercises.com is targeted toward females who want a flat stomach. Two clear focuses.

The reason that's important is it helps me when I'm building content I provide information that will appeal to these people. I know the questions, problems and concerns my audience has so I can build information that will attract this group. It also tells me what forums and sites I should go to advertise on. I know what keywords to target in the search engines and what keywords to bid on if I choose to advertise in PPC.

With your topic I'm not even sure what keywords you would target. "Electronic help" is too broad. Same for "home decor"? And I'm just not sure these two topics should even be combined on a new site.

Facebook, MySpace and other networking sites are definitely a great place to get traffic, especially if you promote your site within groups related to your site. But that's a small piece of the puzzle.

Not trying to discourage you at all, but I have read shopping sites are the most difficult to get started because of many of the reasons I've mentioned above. So it's important you really have a clear plan for who you are targeting and how your site is going to be different than the other multi topic shopping/theme sites out there.

There are tons of electronic sites out there that cater to people with questions. So what is going to be different about yours? Will you be targeting a certain kind of electronic device or is it all electronics? Why would I come to your site instead of howstuffworks.com?

When I'm helping my friends with their sites I always tell them you should be able to tell me in a few words who your site is targeting (specifically). People who want to chat about electronics is too broad, but people who want to learn how to troubleshoot Windows Vista problems is much better.

I am definitely playing devil's advocate here because I want you to think this through. What does everyone else think? I seem to be on this thread by myself.
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What does everyone else think? I seem to be on this thread by myself.
Well....I think I am majorly impressed by how much you know Lisa, and feeling so blessed to have stumbled on this site (which I had spent quite a while looking for, I knew it was out there somewhere and just had to find it!!!)

Oh...you meant what did I think about the topic? Although I wish I did, I don't know diddly yet about driving traffic to a site and the in's and out's of it....I just know it is necessary!
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Couldn't have "splained" it better myself, Lisa. Not to discourage you shopgirl but you are trying to do A LOT for a first site. It's overwhelming to me just trying to understand the real focus of your site.

It's much easier to target ONE specific audience. As the saying goes, if you try to target everyone, you'll target no one. Home decor, electronic help, eBay advice, it's all just too much to digest.

Let me just ask you a simple question. Can you give me 3 main keyword phrases you'd want to be found for in the search engines? If it's hard to come up with an answer, that may be a sign your site is too broad.

I hope you don't feel like we're beating up your idea because I love your enthusiasm. We just want you to have realistic expectations for a site such as this. I agree you should really spend some time narrowing this topic much more or you'll be in for a big disappointment in the traffic arena. There's no such thing as "Build and they will come". You need to give people a reason to find and then bookmark you.

And this list of 600 people you speak of. Are these all just random people you've met in forums or do they all have something in common? Because if I met you in a forum and I'm on your list but I'm not interested in that kind of site I'm going to feel like you sending me an email is spam. Are these all people into home decor? Electronics? Friends of yours? Having a list is great but hopefully these are people you know will be interested in this site and have given you permission to email them.

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Hi guys!

I don't mind you playing devil's advocate at all. I rather have that than a yes man. For sure!

I guess I should give a little background as to how I came up with this idea. Believe me, I'm not crazy. Well, maybe that's to be decided yet.

Okay. I started working on computers over 25 years ago on a Commodore 64 when code was the only thing you had and it was stored on a cassette player and your monitor was a black and white TV. It took 3 days of playing around to code a pong game for the first time but I learned a lot. Especially since the code book sent with the C64 (which I still have) had errors in it.

I own Juliet's Cottage, an online home dec store featuring custom upholstered headboards (I was the second person to offer slipcovered headboards, our speciality) bedding and window treatments. I went online 6 years ago with 25 years of decorating experience behind me. I built the site myself using the templates of the host. Six years ago, 2 companies and myself were the only ones listed on Google, Yahoo or MSN when you searched for upholstered headboards. Today, there are 100s of companies listed. I took them 6 years to catch up with me though! If you visit the site, it may seem a little dated. That's because I'm in the process of changing it to another location and making it an information site for health reasons. Unfortunately, I just can't do the physical work anymore.

This is where the 600 people come from. Six years of collecting highend, targeted names via the newsletter sign up. And they're still signing up today. (I had an average of 10000/month traffic last year.) I've been helping them find great things for their homes for years and most of them come to me to help them when they don't have time or know where to search.

I'll be introducing them to the new shop listings for the home sections but I've helped them find everything from island resorts to baby gifts. My customers really are like friends and they know I'll help them with whatever they need, if I can. They are very busy and don't have time to search for the best places to shop.

They are part of the reason I started this. I want to build a site for people with too little time and/or patience to search the overcrowded net for what they want. They want ease of shopping and to make it easy to shop their favorite stores. They don't want to have 20,000 listings for upholstered headboards. They want a few stores that offer quality products and great service.

Well, I've run out of time right now. I hope I've answered a few questions.

Thanks for asking. I'll be happy to answer any questions. I wish I could start building the site so you could "see" what I'm talking about but I have to wait for hostgator to update to Joomla 1.5 before I start.
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Oh OK, that makes a little more sense now that you've explained it. I really wasn't sure what kind of site this was going to be. I still think I need to see the end result to fully understand but that does help.
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Old 01-25-2008, 05:22 PM
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I know. It's hard to see what someone is talking about without visuals. I have some time on my hands right due to Hostgator not having the new version of Joomla uploaded yet so I'm going to cruise the forum and ask questions and who knows, maybe I'll be able to help someone while I still have time to contribute something.

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