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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by lisa View Post
    Still thinking...
    Hmmm. Means a definite decision that the end is near, is not imminent.
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    Too sad. This is one of the best online community I've ever joined.
    I'd like how members of this forum help each other, and share invaluable knowledge.
    I've learned a lot from here, but thank you for all..

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    This is a big shame but I understand your reasoning Lisa.

    I owe you, this forum and your websites a great deal for giving me confidence to succeed online. I've been making a living online for the last 4 years and a vast majority of that is thanks to you and the free CSS template you offered many years ago. By editing that template I was able to learn HTML/CSS and that was the start I needed.

    I will continue to listen to your podcast and YouTube videos to keep up to date with your knowledge.

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    Have you considered selling the forum or at the very least giving it away? It is still one of the better forums out there in terms of quality discussion, if it was taken over by the right person/team it could continue to grow and I'm sure it would be nice for you to know that your effort has not been waisted.

    There's a lot of people who would be interested in purchasing it.

    EDIT: I read your response about selling it not feeling right and I can see what you mean. If you did go down this route you'd really have to trust the person you are selling it to. With the vBulletin issues it's just a ticking time bomb, I do wonder how forums such as webhostingtalk.com manage as they seem to be running a similar version of vBulletin as you and are significantly larger. Is there not a script you can use to transfer the content to a new forum software? A lot of companies offer scripts that will allow you to transfer the content to their software.

    Thanks for everything,
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    "It hurts to let go, but sometimes it hurts more to hold on."

    I think this quote describes your predicament better although the original quote may have been written in some other context.

    You certainly kept Websitebabble alive much longer than expected. It is yet another typical facet of your helpful and magnanimous personality. Starting with hundreds of YouTube video that you started publishing almost ten years ago, you have given away more useful information for free online than any other single person on this planet. I bet there are many out there who owe their successful online careers to you but may be too proud to admit it.

    I have heard of many forums being pulled off overnight at the slightest of issues. But here you are giving everyone almost a month's notice, and also discussing with current members how they can be helped in future! If there is a God on the internet, it is you! At least for many of us here, it is you. Today, millions make a living online and part of those millions may have learnt and benefited directly or indirectly from the information and support that you provided on the net through your website and forum.

    But yes, it is time to move on, even without the losses that you are incurring over the forum. The other forums are pretty much inactive and in any case do not have a fraction of the quality that Websitebabble had in its content.

    A couple years ago well known online marketer Neil Patel shut down his forum and explained it here:

    My Failed Attempt at Content Marketing and What I’ve Learned
    https://www.quicksprout.com/2014/11/...erated-content

    If I remember correctly I sounded off the news here at the time in some post of mine - don't remember where that thread is. His points as described in the conclusion says it all. The writing was on the wall.

    Over the last few years, I think most members moved to (no prizes for guessing) Facebook. I am a part of a few FB groups too, although I am not very active due to an increasing amount of time spent in my own work - but I can clearly see groups growing and multiplying on Facebook while the forum concept slowly disintegrates. Facebook is also very convenient because most people have their friends and family on the same site too, and all they have to do is move within the same site whenever they get a new notification. It also keeps members active because...well, who doesn't log into Facebook at least once in a few days - everyone does.

    The smartphone revolution and the slick Facebook apps on Apple and Android have only fueled the growth of Facebook groups; while on the other hand I sometimes find it difficult and tacky logging into forums through a browser on a smartphone or a tab. There is an app for forum users called Tapatalk but I don't find it any good with just a few forums accessible through it(it's also outdated).

    One of the disadvantages of Facebook groups, however, is that it is difficult to locate threads and posts and things disappear quickly in the ever moving feed. The Facebook search feature is not very good at locating information through a keyword input and hence unless you save a thread or post there are chances of losing it forever(unless someone bumps it up again from obscurity). Ironically, that sometimes means even more activity because of some of the common topics that members keep posting again and again, with others rushing in to respond...lol.

    Pat Flynn's Smart Passive Income Community seems to be one of the biggest groups on Facebook (in its niche). Kimra Luna has a large group called Freedom Hacker's Mastermind. Once you join a few groups you get to know about other good ones from the posts and discussions. By the way I am not too active but it is quite interesting to watch how the group owners/ admins engage the groups and also monetize them very effectively while giving out useful information all the time. Honestly, that is the reason why I visit the group pages of groups that I am part of - I have my own group and fan pages and get some good tips there.

    Time and again, members share their tips and success stories that are very inspiring to read as well for gaining good insights. Also, somehow I find that Facebook group members are a bit more helpful than forum members(not pointing at any forum in particular but in general). Not sure why - maybe because most members have their real life Facebook accounts connected to those groups and would like to known as being helpful in real life! Last but not the least, spammers are almost non-existent. If one does try to sneak in, it is easy to identify them and kick them out, with help from members.

    So yeah there's a lot going on, on Facebook.

    I can suggest a solution for retaining the Websitebabble community while the site is being retired - create a Websitebabble group on Facebook and send out a newsletter with the details for those who want to join. Or/ and place a message on the main page for a few months telling visitors that the Websitebabble community has been relocated to Facebook(with a link). But you will need moderators there too, but for only stopping any spam. The engagement is already there with existing members knowing each other from the forum.

    That's all from me but not before I thank Lisa for all the selfless help she has always given and for devoting years providing a free service that extended consistent and excellent support to the community - not just the WB community but to the entire blogging and internet marketing world. It is only fair that she focuses now on scaling up her own businesses and also adopts a paid model for all the priceless content that she shares on the internet(it's about time!).

    I must mention that the one single thing that puts Lisa's content at a completely different level than all others is that she personally tests each single aspect of the content and techniques that she describes before putting it out - even her free content. If that is not enough reason why people should pay for her content nothing is. I have seen and browsed through hundreds(and purchased a few) of courses on Udemy, but I find Lisa's courses to be the best, in content as well as in quality - all at a rating of full 5-stars! Need I say more!!

    Also, my sincere and heartfelt thanks to all the members on this thread and others who kept Websitebabble alive with engaging discussions and support for new members.

    I will be around till the last day, so if you have a link saying "Join here/now" for Lisa's paid group, I'm in at whatever price!! (i.e. if you can peg a price to Lisa's priceless help and content)
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    Zomex!! You were one of my early active members back in the day! I'm guessing you're still doing hosting right? And yes you are right... vbulletin is a ticking time bomb and it's already exploded about 30 times in the last 4 years. LOL!

    emvy, I swear some of your comments almost brought me to tears. Wow! Sometimes you don't really realize the impact your content has. So thank you so much. I didn't realize you were one of my students! Thank you!!

    Maybe the FB group idea is a temporary solution until I figure out what I want to do with this. But I will definitely take Darren's suggestion and create an email form so I can keep you all informed of what I do. Like I said, no solution is going to best for everyone but I have to do what's best for the bottom line.

    I'm really going to miss the interaction here but the technical issues and maintenance is not worth the added time and money. But hopefully I'll find a way to retain some of this. Still thinking....

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    I second that emvy, I appreciate this community more than any other I've been part of. When I commit to something, I commit and that's why I've been visiting this forum so much over the last few years!

    I've given up on other forums due to the trolls, and had a bit of a spat with a forum moderator in a private message when I lost patience due to a public remark from another member. I told him I won't be taking part in his forum anymore because I was already a member of a much better one - I was referring to WB.
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    This little forum got me where I needed to go. Preciate it = )
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    Sad to see it go, but it's understandable! That's an admirable business quality; knowing when it's time to exit!

    Thanks for hosting the forum, inspiring me and many others, and everything else that you do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mateo3847 View Post
    Couldn't you hire someone, like Darren is saying, to move the site over to WP? Wouldn't that address some of the security issues? I bet you'd get more revenue/traffic, the whole nine yards, if it was a simple click on your 2createawebsite homepage.
    It would help some for sure because of the dedicated server. But nevertheless this is still running on vBulletin and no matter where it's hosted, there are always exploits. And I certainly don't want them infecting files on 2create. If I ever do another forum again it would not be on vBulletin.

    No matter where I move the forum there is still the issue of vbulletin software and maintenance and I don't think this place is active enough for all the ongoing work.

    I think the best solution if I do end up moving is to import it into BuddyPress or some other forum software.

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    Lisa, I would walk away from vBulletin if I were you in your position. I'd rebuild the whole forum in WordPress, in a seperate installation but using the same theme and same CSS as 2createawebsite. You could even redirect the current forum permalinks to new forum permalinks.

    BuddyPress is surely the way forward. Build it in InstantWP or WAMP. I'm wondering if you'd still be able to get away with hosting it all on a shared server if it were built in BuddyPress.

    Whatever you do, I'm sure people will not mind when the forum goes offline since you'll be redirecting websitebabble.com to a temporary page. I've never built a forum but I'm curious enough to fool around with BuddyPress in WAMP and see what I can come up with.

    I'd also suggest getting SSL for the forum, seeing as you're thinking of starting over. Let's Encrypt is a free solution I'm playing with on some client sites.

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    The end of the month approaches... A final Thank You Lisa, James and the rest of the crew.

    Darren once posted about a starting local meet-up. I made noise in that direction too. Now, I going to get serious and become convenor of a local group. Thinking of just posting to PC and Mac groups saying meet me for breakfast at 8:00 am and see what happens. I did this before for another interest. It worked.

    Best wishes to you all.

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    I guess that's it everyone! Good luck with whatever you do. I guess I'll be taking a break from forums for a while, but you can connect with me on Twitter it you're on there.

    I'm also on Skype. You can click the "Send a message via Skype" link above. I'll add you to my contacts list and we can update one another that way if there are any forums worth joining. Of course, you can always call me, seeing as the chat is free.

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    Dear, Dear Lisa. I can hear the drumb roll and butterflies in my stomach. B/c I won't have anywhere to go. (This is the only forum I come to.) Yes, I understand and admire your ability to make good business decisions; yet, have the heart to give us all time to say goodbye (not just a door slam in the face).

    I want you to know, I too have really benefited from WB. A year ago at this time, my blog was a mess going no where until I found 2createawebsite and WB. At least now I can see the trees for the forest. Thank you so very much. Still, you'll see me on 2createawebsite.

    PS: I'm finally working on a Spreadshirt shop. And of course, as things often happen with me, one thing leads to another. Short story, I discovered Inkscape and am excited about creating my own original designs! Would you believe until I had listened to your podcast, I didn't even know what is a vector image??! Between creating my own designs and my photography images, I believe I can come up with designs for products. I hope to take your course to be sure I'm not missing something on Spreadshirt. See what a blessing you are to me to us all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lisa View Post
    Zomex!! You were one of my early active members back in the day! I'm guessing you're still doing hosting right? And yes you are right... vbulletin is a ticking time bomb and it's already exploded about 30 times in the last 4 years. LOL!
    Yes indeed Lisa If I was to estimate the year I first come across you online it would be 2007 or so, I was still in school back then! I was very active on this forum early on always asking for reviews of my new website changes and trying to learn. I'm very thankful that you and many other members (James comes to mind) were kind enough to share your knowledge to help me and other users out.

    Still doing hosting but my main focus in the last couple of years has been premium templates (which is ironic and amazing as I started this journey by editing your free CSS template). I also recently branched out completely and started a new website for coupons but more of a quality website with unique content it's already showing positive signs early on. I'm focusing templates mostly but I'm looking out for a new online business to add to my selection this year. I feel that I can use the knowledge and confidence I've developed to buy small online businesses that are making some money and increase them. Just trying to diversify and ensure I'm safe from any industry/economic changes in the future.

    Good luck to everyone, I would like to share my personal Facebook in case anyone would like to keep that ability to keep in touch:

    https://www.facebook.com/giantjacket

    Best wishes to you all,
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