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    Default Blackhat and Whitehat SEO

    I initially found websites like fiverr, fourerr, and the like, and began melting at the mouth. Only a few bucks and I can advertise to thousands of people?

    I then continued researching what appeared to good to be true and found out about whitehat and blackhat seo, google's penguin update, and how SEO has changed a lot. The days of spamming thousands of backlinks appears to be for the most part over, as far as it being a sure way method of getting ranked high.

    I then thought "I knew it was to good to be true" but how else can I advertise? I go to disquss and make comments, but thats javascript and wont increase SEO...I have gotten clicks doing this, but it is not sustainable and to much work.

    After further thought and consideration I have realized, I dont care...I am using fourerr and fiverr and sites of the like to increase my traffic(not in the sense of buying the fake traffic, but buying people to promote it), but now I am going to try and be careful. For instance, I plan mostly on buying facebook and twitter posts, promoting my site.

    I just purchased my first promotion from fourerr, which was some guy offering to link my website to 100,000 plus people on facebook. I am sure many of those people in his groups,communities,friends lists are not real, but I am betting there are thousands of real people apart of his marketing strategy as well. . I will report back in this thread if I saw any real gains in traffic from the fourerr promotion I bought.


    With my next purchase I plan on buying a bunch of social bookmarks and backlinks. I plan on buying backlinks that are offered in low numbers like 25/25/25/25 backlinks for four different things, rather then wasting my money for thousands of backlinks that will guarentee hurting my ranking on google. I also plan on looking for people who charge more around the 8-12 dollar range as 1 dollar just seems like a flat out scam for what most of them claim to offer.

    25-150 backlinks per purchase does not sound extreme to me and more likely google will not flag it(tell me if I am wrong), but I will have to wait and see. My website is less then a month old, I dont have a good google ranking, although one of my images is ranked in page 1 at the very top of the page for google images, and another article I have is page two on google, but that is not for a highly searched keyword.

    After I spend a few bucks fooling around with blackhat seo tactics, I plan on just buying ads on blogs. I am also planning on buying fake facebook friends, twitter followers so it gives the illusion my website is bigger then it really is, AND if people see a large number following me they will be more likely to follow as well.


    I post this thread to lay my general strategy out, also veterans can give advice or explain any positives/negatives about doing this 'blackhat' method, also I wouldnt mind if any newer folks posting here partially-hijacked the thread and asked their own questions relating to blackhat/white hat tactics for promotion, as maybe its a question I wouldnt even think to ask but may be useful.
    Last edited by tigerdriver; 12-17-2013 at 07:42 PM.

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    Are you concerned at all that these black hat marketing strategies could cause you to be penalized so badly that it will be hard to recover? It's like Russian Roulette. You may get caught and then you may not, but you are right... it is getting harder to "game" the engines.

    I also don't think seeing large number of followers will encourage other people to follow. Granted, it looks better to have 300 followers than 10 but if you're putting out fabulous content then you will eventually earn the followers.

    Also Facebook just changed their algorithm again so if your engagement is poor, FB will show your content to fewer and fewer people. So if you buy FB followers that are low quality then it will be a waste if most of them never see your posts anyway. And since these followers are not going to be targeted you're just throwing away money in my opinion.

    At the end of the day, it's better to have 50 Facebook fans that found you because they are interested in your niche than 5,000 that you paid for who will never be interested in your content and hurt your overall "Edgerank score" and engagement.

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    First and foremost in today's day and age black hat techniques do not work any more. They used to, until a year ago but Google has tracked down. and made most known blackhat techniques.

    I would stay away from gig sites just for the simple reason that anything related to SEO in those sites does not work any more. People can make out whether followers on FB or Twitter are fake or real.

    Edit - One blackhat techniques that still works and will continue working, is to rank with the help of high PR blog networks. Don't use a network that is publicly known but use a private one, preferably your own. You can build your own private blog network by getting some good high PR expired domains and populating it with good content. Hope this helps.
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    There is an old saying, "people who play with fire get burned." (The main reason I refer to old sayings pretty often is that I am old—also because I have learned that while they may sound a little cliche, they contain a lot of truth).

    Lisa was very diplomatic in the way she raised the issues, but the issue most clearly raised by your approaches is that any form of Black Hat approach such as paying for link systems is that you are in real danger of getting into permanent problems. It is playing with fire. Google, and others actually, have lots of very intelligent folks whose job is to identify the folks who provide those services and the folks who use them to cheat on their search engine rankings.

    The question I would ask is, what are you going to do with your site after it is dropped from any listing because they identify you as someone trying to cheat the system? If you look for them you will find other people asking how they can get rid of all those bad links so they can get back the search engine listings they had before they tried these things. Mostly it is an almost hopeless task.

    The way to get good results is to provide good content first. Then follow some good advice from Lisa and others on taking advantage of promotion options like doing YouTube videos or working with social media.
    Good Success!

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    I ended up purchasing someone to post my link on facebook...What a waste. I only spent 4 dollars, so no big deal.

    I essentially paid 4 dollars to have someone do something I am already doing, not just that, he sent it to groups on facebook that will not help me(not at all related niche wise)

    anyways, I just bought a 10 dollar ad on blogads, the ad gets my link with graphic posted on 2 different modest forums, I chose to do a controversial looking graphic.....Only a few hits, but the ad is on a forum that is relatively close to my niche, but not entirely(there are things on my site that may turn those on the forums off, but things on my site they will like)

    Next I buy a 25 dollar ad on a forum directly related to my niche, after that I am going to reevalute my next moves.

    I have found stumbleupon to be a great tool, twitter is blah, facebook is blah as well. I have been posting in forums, and that is blah...My post gets over 1,000 views and I get very little clicks into my site, BUT I get many responses to the post, so who knows.

    sometimes I feel like I spend more time promoting my blog then I do on my blog.

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    Default Too much time or money on advertising?

    My post gets over 1,000 views and I get very little clicks into my site, BUT I get many responses to the post, so who knows.You

    sometimes I feel like I spend more time promoting my blog then I do on my blog.
    The range is wide, but studies show that successful new businesses spend anywhere from 25 to 65% of their time on marketing. Most people dislike marketing and sales so neglect it as a serious endeavor.

    However, a far more important factor is having a money making offer. The important measurement is conversions. It looks like you may be getting enough traffic to get a good measurement on promotions on the blog pages but perhaps not the site. The critical point is this: unless you have content and offers on your site that produce an adequate number of sales/conversions, it is a waste of time and money to do anything to get traffic if your goal is to make money.

    Really successful marketers do the math. They figure out how many sales and profit they get for every thousand visitors. Then they work on finding advertising methods. If they earn $50.00 per 1,000 visitors then they test advertising to make sure they get more than 1,000 visitors for something less than $50.00.

    You can fix any deficiency by either increasing conversions or advertising, but you have to make sure both work, beginning with conversions. And your advertising must lead people to the location where they find the offer.
    Good Success!

    Douglas County Master Gardeners
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    Great points James. Also TigerDriver, you mentioned stumbleupon. Make sure you also check your bounce rate of your traffic. Often times social bookmarking sites can bring in lots of visitors in short bursts but the bounce rate can be horrid. I used to use StumbleUpon a long time ago but the bounce rate always averaged like 95%.

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